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JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Brazilian Keratin Straightening Treatment
Posted: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:32:54 PM
By now I suppose most of you have heard of this and are doing them now. There is something wrong with the way  they are educating us on this process. Where there is a class, the product itself is pricey let alone the class you have to take and then there is the lack of tech support when you have a question. I would love to hear other opinions on this.

hues4you
Posts: 2566
Platinum Member

JustJoan717
Posted: Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:31:10 AM

Dear JustJoan717


What experience have you had with what company?  What about the fumes from the formaldeheyde?  I am just not looking into more info about this, since BTC did the piece on it on it's main page.  Actually, I am curious to information about anyone using this new service.  What types of results are you receiving on color treated hair?  How does the haircolor react when it is time to refresh?  Any and all advice would be appreciated.  Thanks.


Cindy Farr Hester  Asst Moderator



russnyc
Posts: 965
Gold Member

formaldehyde
Posted: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:33:32 AM
Formaldehyde is a carcinogenic, and used in this application as a volitile liquid (quick drying) component to keep the keratin compound in liquid form, which dries once you have applied it to the hair. Formaldehyde is an acceptable additive in cosmetic use but the FDA doesn't have to approve cosmetic products as they do drugs.

This is essentially a plastic polymer coating over the hair that will seal out moisture, the keratin helps to completely seal the hair straight after you have ironed it.

I'm all for keeping a clean house while working. This product fails a lot of my standards for keeping a clean, green working environment that is safe for me, my staff, and my clients. It's not environmentally friendly either.

The American companies won't touch it because even though the formaldehyde is probably very low content and acceptable for a single application on a client, it is questionable usage for a stylist to be exposed to multiple applications.

I would have serious questions as to why Revlon or any other American company hasn't come out with a version of this product, and why there is little technical assistance given aside from the class.

I would pose it like this;

If anything goes wrong with the service, or a client decides to sue, because the company offered no further assistance after the initial class, they can fall back on the excuse "improper application" as a defense if the client decided to sue the company as well as the salon, leaving the salon to take the brunt of the lawsuit.

No communication between stylist and company is better for them from this standpoint.

I wouldn't consider this product unless they can prove the formaldehyde is very low emission and that there is a local source and technical assistance given. I would also demand an MSDS sheet outlining all the active ingredients.

The thing about "breakthrough" products is that very few of them are breakthrough, most are rehashed from older products with ingredients or processes that have been retooled, repackaged or buffered in some way.

I would also review your liability insurance and make sure that you are insured properly before considering this product.

hues4you
Posts: 2566
Platinum Member

russnyc
Posted: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:01:24 AM

Thanks for sharing your advice.


Cindy Farr Hester  Asst Moderator



JustJoan717
Posts: 31

BKT
Posted: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:01:46 PM

I'm so glad this has peaked some interests. As far as doing this on colored hair, it comes out great. The worst condition the hair is in the better is adheres because the cuticle layer is open. I have not done a touch up over it yet.


As far as dealing with the company...there is no company. There's only the girls cell phone number.


I wear a particle mask but should get a chemical one. I have to say I personally didn't find the fumes terrible but that doesn't mean I want to inhale it all day.


In response to RussNYC, there is  .02% formaldehyde in it. The application is not the worst of it, it's when it's heated up from the blower and iron. The information you provided was very helpful.


This product has been around for 5 years and I would like to know why it's just become popular now. Where are our major companies on this? None of this was even mentioned at any of the trade shows. It's disheartening. I thought I was to be one of the first to offer this and all the salons in the area have signs up stating it's offered there.


The results so far have been great, although a real good test is someone who I'm still waiting for the 4 day "no wash" period to end.


To be continued....


Just  Joan

hues4you
Posts: 2566
Platinum Member

JustJoan717
Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:12:32 AM

Dear JustJoan717


What brand of BKS are you using?  How much does the kit to do the service cost?  Are you ordering your product direct online?  Thanks in advance.


Cindy Farr Hester  Asst Moderator



JustJoan717
Posts: 31

BKT
Posted: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:33:54 AM

The 32 oz. bottle is $250. It's the only thing you need to do the process. I'm afraid to buy it online due to you don't know what you're getting.


I was not pleased with my last one. She had very thick curly hair and after the 4 day not washing period I had to do it again and it's still not good.


Just  Joan

hues4you
Posts: 2566
Platinum Member

JustJoan717
Posted: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:24:55 AM

So where are you buying this product if you are not getting it online?  Does any of your local distributors carry it?  Which brand are you using?  Thanks.


Cindy Farr Hester  Asst Moderator



JustJoan717
Posts: 31

BKT
Posted: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:49:28 PM
No distributor has it. You have to pay to take a class and commit to buying at least 1 32oz. bottle. All it says on the bottle is "Brazilian Keratin Straightening". I did another one today and I'll know in a week if it worked.
Just  Joan

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

Brazilian Keratin Treatment
Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:22:36 PM

Hi Everyone,

I have been doing this process since March. I do it several times a week. If anyone has any questions about the procedure, product, safety etc, I would be happy to answer them.

I do all types of Relaxers and straighteners. I consider it my specialty.

 

Denise Kingsley/ Denver Colorado



russnyc
Posts: 965
Gold Member

Brazilian Straightener READ
Posted: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:25:27 AM
OK, So here's the real deal;

Mark Garrison Salon, a very prestigious salon here in NYC does the treatments. BEFORE you consider stocking them in your salon you should know this, I found out from a client that had it done-

1. The treatment is done in a completely separate floor away from the general salon with about ten technicians in the room, it is sealed off from the outside.

2. There are industrial size fans that pull the air away from the treatment area.

3. The clients wear MASKS similar to the ones on airplanes that provide fresh air. The treatment smells TERRIBLE.

That's enough proof for me! LOL

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

Fume Extractor
Posted: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:54:12 AM

I have spoken to the powers that be at Mark Garrisons salon. I passed along the following information to them, as well as Frederic Fekkai salons. I also have given this information to salons all over the country.

I use a fume extractor. It is placed next to the head and the fumes are pulled into the extractor and filtered through a very expensive filtration system designed for formaldehyde.

I have been using this for a month and it works beautifully.

My clients no longer wear masks. I no longer wear a mask. The whole process is quite uneventful, except for the fact that the client has nice straight silky hair.

I would not do the process without the fume extractor. It cost me a lot of money but it is worth every penny.

In the beginning I was not concerned, but since the demand for the service increased, the fumes did as well. Although I was never concerned for the safety of the client, I was concerned for myself and my fellow stylists. I began a quest to solve the problem and I believe that I did.

I have worked closely with the fume extractor company in the past month, to make sure the unit performs the way I need it to in the salon environment. It works beautifully for me. They plan on publishing their findings on extensive testing of the unit using the Brazilian Keratin Treatment that I provided.

I will post that report.

I highly suggest that anyone using this treatment, or any other treatment with chemicals, use this unit.

If anyone is interested in checking this out, I will be happy to pass along the information.

 

Denise Kingsley/Denver Colorado



JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Denise Kingsley
Posted: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:32:00 AM

I really would love to speak with you. Any ideas on why the one I did twice on tight, thick curly hair didn't work well? Where are you getting your product. I'm waiting for a client to come in today and get it washed for the first time. If it didn't perform correctly, I don't know what else to do. PLEASE HELP!


Thanks in advance


Just  Joan

hues4you
Posts: 2566
Platinum Member

Denise Kingsley
Posted: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:58:37 AM

Dear Denise Kingsley


Welcome to the BTC Talk Back Boards!  Please take a few moments to read over the board rules in the green box above.  Thanks so much for sharing the information you have.


Cindy Farr Hester  Asst Moderator



Hair Stylist
Posts: 8

BKT
Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:19:17 PM
I just took a class on this product out of Delray Beach, Florida.  We did a models hair it turned out great.  My friend also got it done 3 weeks ago and she loved the results of this BKT.  I am waiting for the product to come via UPS I did order it and have a waiting list of clients who want it done.  I can tell you I think this product is less harmful since it has an organic ingredient and very low formaldehyde and the instructor also said it is more of a semi permanent straightening than anything.  Build up or the more you do it the better it gets as far as being straight.

j-9
Posts: 1

formaldehyde complaints
Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:46:15 AM
I work in CT and my co-worker who specializes in japenese straightening was all for the brazilian keratin.WHY??!! It has been all the talk from people who visit or are natives of brazil. It claims to be better for the hair( it is and results incredable) BUT THERE IS A BIG DOWN SIDE: two clients had called one had the straightener done else were and was rush to the hospital she was HIGHLY allergic to the formaldehyde and the doctor advised that she must call to make sure she is never in a facility providing the service.He told her one more time being in cotact can kill her.It can be very harsh on the lungs and she also claimed it is common or one to become allergic at anytime.any how we no longer provide this service due to this information

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

BKT
Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:24:26 PM
It's been 7 months since I was in this discussion. I have all clients sign a release stating they are aware of the formaldehyde content and release the salon of any responsibility. No one has ever refused and thank God, no one has ever had a reaction.
Just  Joan

jerri204
Posts: 3

yeah,yeah, yeah
Posted: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 4:58:20 AM
I became certified in Annapolis, Maryland with the Peter Coppola Keratin Complex Treatment. Formaldehyde by any other name is still formaldehyde. Once heat is applied to any form of formaldehyde, what have you turned it into? A vaporous gas that needs to be extracted from the environment. As my caring owner told me, "You are not a good candidate for testing this product because you have a compromised system". So I went home after the class and research this product. I have found many ya and na's. Then I looked up the active ingredient "aldehyde" (formaldehyde). Only to be told, "it's like comparing oranges to orange juice (BKT vs Peter Coppola). While giving this treatment to a model, I experienced burning eyes, burning and running nose, burning throat. By the time I got home I was having full blown asthma attacks with deeeeep chest cough (bronchial problems). Yes, I am sensitive but have been in the business for 17 years doing the same work as everyone else. NEVER have I had this type of immediate problem due to exposure. I am sadden to think that manufactures/distributors are now treating use like consumers by way of not giving us the information we need to make informed decisions so we can help our clients make them also. SHAME ON THE INDUSTRY and us as hairstylist for allowing this to happen. One stylist even said, "if you can't prove it will kill me, then I am doing it. Let me inform all who read this RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS ARE NO JOKE AND ARE PERMANENT. Today I am quitting my job due to exposure.
thanks for reading
jerri

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Posted: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:54:37 AM

Jerri, I am truly sorry to hear of your misfortune.


There are BKT's without formaldehyde that don't last as long but work great.  I've just purchased wonderful masks from icanbreathe.com . They are perfect for both the stylist and the client. Not at all bulky. Anyone doing the BkT should certainly invest in them.


Just  Joan

jerri204
Posts: 3

Posted: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:06:00 AM
I just wonder as professionals, where do we draw the line for beauty. For me, it is drawn at my respiratory system. Yesterday I received the MSDS for the Coppola. Nothing on this sheet said anything about wearing gloves, mask, or ventilation. This is suppose to be a safe product?

There are other forms that don't have formaldehyde in them? Can you name them for me please?

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

no formaldehyde
Posted: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:56:21 AM
One is called Rejuenal and I believe Lasio also came out with one.
Just  Joan

hair4eva
Posts: 6

brazilian keratin straightening buys
Posted: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:16:05 AM
Hi - I have found a reliable source for BKT products finally. they are for qod - max and red. It is supposed to be the US site for qod, and qod is supposed to be the longest international BKT brand. I am having really good luck, and so are the couple other stylists who do BKT in my salon. Otherwise, we have been Ok with the Texiera, but had problems lately with weird seperation - be sure and mix it.
and the qod site has an interesting link to an article about formaldehyde, they are pretty serious.
sorry its www.braziliankeratinproducts.com

hair4eva
Posts: 6

qod usa site
Posted: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:18:38 AM
sorry- the link i used for qod bkt was braziliankeratinproducts.com also i can qodusa.com .their shipping was good.

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

BKT
Posted: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:24:35 AM

I tried the Rejuvenol product and it left the hair with a film that I didn't get with Lasio. Do any of you get a film where the hair feels dirty when using?


Just  Joan

xlpinkkittylx
Posts: 1

Not good
Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:09:32 AM
I have to actually leave the salon while the process is going on.  I have suffered SEVERE migranes the in the past while being around/performing this treatment, and the last time i did the treatment, I have broken out into BLISTERS.  I have had to see a doctor, as well as have contacted the FDA to report this product.  I have tried MANY times to get the ingredients list and have actually gotten into an arugement with our rep about the product and how sick it has been making us.  Others in my salon have had breathing problems, and have actually gotten physically sick besides me.  I do not like this product.  Although it is magical on the hair, its killing us.

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

BKT
Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:08:38 PM
What product are they using?
Just  Joan

domino4321
Posts: 8

Are you serious?
Posted: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:25:39 PM
Masks and venilation Systems? Respitory problems? There is not enough information and studies out there that ease my mind about doing these treatments. I have seen the results and they are incredible, but I will not jeapordize the health of myself, my clients or my co-workers to make money.

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

BKT
Posted: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:09:39 PM

I am still interested in knowing what product xlpinkkittylx
was using. Please reply! Thanks.


Just  Joan

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

Safety
Posted: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:46:25 AM

I agree that all stylists should be aware of all hazards in our environment (the salon).



I believe the Brazilian Keratin Treatment and the Coppola Keratin Complex Hair Therapy to be upfront and honest in their list of ingredients and their proper usage.



If a manufacturer or distributor did not procure the information I needed about a product, I would gladly post the name of the product, company and distributor. I would also contact the company directly.



I am a hair texture specialist and I work all of the time to investigate all these products as well as any defrizzing/ straightening/perming, Fusion, Relaxer,etc, chemical.



As a professional I wouldn't dream of using anything on a client without complete knowledge of the product.



There is a lot of misinformation out there. We are constantly lied to and manipulated by manufacturers. They want us to spend our hard earned dollars on their company and their company only.



Just because we are licensed does not mean we stop learning. We also have to take everything we hear with a huge grain of salt, and investigate everything.



If a stylist or salon does not want to offer a service, send them to a texture specialist who is knowledgeable and experienced and prepared to safely perform the needed service.



As a specialist I have many many clients who come to me for their texture services yet have a regular stylist and or colorist. I will work with their stylist as well. We are a team for the client.





Missymar
Posts: 5

Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:44:10 AM
Denise,  Hi.  I am a stylist in the Boston area and have just started offerin Keratin Complex by Coppola.  I was wondering if this is the product you are using with a fume extractor, and do you think this has formaldahyde?  The company told me it was aldahyde...that is the same thing!  I did my first treatment yesterday and my eyes burned a little, however my client was fine.  I am concerned with the long term effects this treatment has on the stylist!!!  Any info you have would be greatly appreciated...thanks!

halojenna
Posts: 1

Keratin by Coppolla causing symptoms?
Posted: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:39:20 PM

 


I am an owner of a salon that has just become certified in the coppolla treatment method...


I researched the Brazilian and was uncomfortable with the reported side effects and was thrilled when I heard about a newer, safer, option.  I invested a bit of money in the irons and keratin and we really took off running... people were eager to do the treatments.


Our salon is quite small in sq ft. and we have been doing at least one treatment a day for the last two weeks.  I feel like my nose is going to burst into flame.  I have bloody sores on the insides of both nostrils.  I also have a tightness in my throat and chest that seem related.  I sound hoarse.  My staff has also complained of respitory symptoms and I am so so SAD if this is related to the treatments.  We love the results ... and in a difficult economy this is really some awesome revenue...


Has anyone else had similar problems?  Any advice?  Is there a truly safe method? Or is it when ever you vaporize anything it becomes caustic.  Help!!! I am pulling the treatment after tomorrow until I can find more info and  feel like I am not harming myself or staff.  


Jenna



Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

Fume Extractor
Posted: Saturday, September 27, 2008 9:02:50 AM

For anyone doing ANY keratin treatment...formaldehyde, aldehyde or ether..., use a fume extractor. You will need to move it around a bit but once you get a routine it will solve the vapor issues.


I have been working with Jeff at Modern solutions on a design that is relatively easy to use for this process.


Contact him and tell him I sent you for special pricing.


1-800-288-2023 Modern Solutions



JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Brazilian Keratin Treatment
Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 7:34:50 AM

This discussion board is just great. At the IBS NY, I came across someone using these "I CAN BREATHE! MASKS" It's a small, convenient carbon mask that has made a big difference in my salon. I no longer get that itchy, dry throat. I wear mine throughout the entire process and give one to the client during the time I am blow drying the product into the hair. That seems to be the only time the client is bothered by it. I bought a mask holder for my self so it stays on me but the client only holds hers in place. I use my many times before getting rid of it. 


Just  Joan

Missymar
Posts: 5

Posted: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:22:11 PM
Just finished my 5th treatment...from the Boston area.  I finished the treatment about an hour and a half ago...my chest feels a little tight and I have a head ache.  I keep trying to clear my throat but nothing is there!  I am a little nervous about the way I feel after I do this treatment.  The results have been amazing and could see myself getting busier with them.  What is this fume extracter?  Does anyone just use a mask and does that help?  The salon I am working in is spacious and I always have the window open...but still- I don't feel good.  HELP!

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

BKT
Posted: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:49:26 PM

Read my post. I wear the mask the whole time and it made a big difference. What product are you using?


Just  Joan

Humberto
Posts: 254
Bronze Member

Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:27:58 PM
All these products contain formaldehyde or other aldehyde and all are known toxins. Even if they say "formaldehyde free" they contain another form of aldehyde which in some cases can be more toxic than the original formula. Check out the MSDS on the product you want to use.

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Posted: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:43:40 AM
That's good to know Humberto. Are you using the product at all?
Just  Joan

shawnspiders
Posts: 1

keratin straightening tmt
Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:06:43 PM
I was wondersing about this product.  I know it has all the fumes from the formaldhyde, but have we even addressed the actual results?  Is this service effective.  I've heard many complaints.  From clients and other stylists.  My question is this:  Are we all just BETA testing for the few foreign companies that are pushing this product? There is very little education available.  There's not much tech support available for these products.  So can anyone shed some light for me about this?  Do the benefits of this product outweigh the risks.  Risk to our health as stylists, and the risk of unsatisfied clients.  Just wondering...

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Posted: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:26:55 AM
I haven't had any unsatified clients and I've been doing these almost 2 years now. The company I use is always available to answer any questions that arise. What do you want to know? The results are gorgeous! WEAR THE MASKS I wrote about and there shouldn't be a problem.
Just  Joan

jennp
Posts: 2

Stylist
Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:30:54 AM
I have been a stylist for 14 years. I work at a salon that started using the Coppola Keratin Complex treatment. When we first used the product, I noticed that my eyes. Other stylists said their eyes were burning too. I have applied the treatment to several of my clients. My breathing is so labored now that I get tired going up steps. I thought that the fumes were horrible with the product and breathing in vapors during the 450 degree flat ironing couldn't be good for me. When we received training at the shop, we were told to blow on the steam vapors to keep it from getting too hot on the hair. My husband and I did some research and found the article from Allure, a video clip from the morning show, and read internet posts on the subject. They all painted doom and gloom, but we weren't sure what to think until lately.

Now, my breathing is so bad that I went to urgent care. The doctor said my lungs sounded fine and that I didn't have any sinus problem and referred me to a lung doctor. The Coppola product is the only thing that I can attribute my breathing problems to. My problems started the day of providing my first treatment. Each time that I go to work, my breathing problems flare up.

I have my lung doctor appointment tomorrow. They asked me to bring the ingredients list for the product, but it is not listed on the bottle. My bosses/salon owners said that they contacted the Coppola rep and the rep said there is no formalahyde and that the stylists shouldn't have any problems. I can't seem to get the MSDS on the product. Does anybody have a copy of it?

I live in Maryland and I am very concerned that my lungs are permanently damaged, I certainly hope this is not the case. I saw the posts from Jerri204 about having similar problems. I would be very interested in speaking with you.

I will let everybody know the outcome of my pulmonologist appointment.

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:40:40 AM

I'm telling you those masks are great. I had the same problems before using them. (Read one of my previous blogs)


I also believe that if it's not formaldehyde, they are putting something else in it.


I hope you're okay. I look forward to hearing about what the said says. Thanks for the info.


Just  Joan

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

To jennp
Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:38:16 AM

These treatment are incredible for some heads of hair. HOWEVER, you must take precautions when using them. As Joan say, a mask is great, but it does not help the other people in the salon. You need to use a Source Capture System. I have been using one for 2 years.


I would assume that you are sensitive to the ingredients. Surprisingly there is much more formaldehyde in second hand smoke. I hope you will be fine.


To anyone doing any of these treatments Please contact Jeff at Modern Solutions Inc. and purchase a Source Capture System.


Just call him ant talk to him. He has all of the information and scientific data about the air and the chemicals. It is worth your time and money. I do not work for him! I am just a hard working stylist who loves to have the option of using these treatments, yet I want to use them in a safe environment. AND, I want others to be safe as well.


Modern Solutions


800-288-2023


608-358-6065


 




JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:38:47 PM
Thanks for the info JennP. Do you what they run cost wise?
Just  Joan

Tat2dluvchylde
Posts: 8

Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:18:01 AM

I called Coppola asking for an MSDS and they asked me, quite defensively, " what do you need that for and are you a salon owner?" So they were supposed to e-mail it to me and never did. I called back a few times but to no avail. Eventually I got someone on the phone they told me that it contained cinnamaldehyde and that it was a fragrance aldehyde. I have had reactions to this product as well. Headaches,burning nose, and coughing.



AlisonDawn
Posts: 5

"Rejuvanol Brazilian Straightening"
Posted: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:43:23 AM
I have spoken to reps in Delray Beach, NC, and even sent an email to he main office in NYC- no valid responses. They want me to travel 6 hours to take a class, but no one will get back to me to follow up. They seem VERY defensive and unprofessional if you ask any questions and the whole experience, trying to learn more about their product, has left me feeling like it's not worth it. Something's not right. I've been in the business for over 20 years and I have never encountered such rough characters...if this product was so great, it would be easily accessible, along with the education you supposedly need to work with it. It's pretty bad when you are willing to pay for product education and make a purchase and no one gets back to you...very suspect. I even expressed a willingness to help do education for them, since there is no one in North Florida and athough they sounded very interested- no one has called. I have NO FAITH that there would be ANY type of service after the sale with this product, and God forbid a proble arose.

domino4321
Posts: 8

Are we licensed to do these treatments
Posted: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:25:15 PM
I have been corresponding with the state board in Pa. as to whether or not we are licensed to do these treatments and if they are considered safe/approved by the board to be used in a salon environment. The use of these chemicals have not been a part of the curriculum. i agree with the previous response that it is shady. I am director of education for a very large salon. It is with great research that leads me to the conclusion that it is potentially unsafe for the employees and the clients. I am pursuing the state board to research for the entire industry in my state so that protects us working professionals from potential harm.

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

Keratin treatments
Posted: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:50:25 PM

I don't know about Pa, but there is nothing in the State Board regulations of Colorado about Hair straightening, other than relaxers. The regulations are out of touch with our fast pace business.


It has always been my belief that these treatments are no worse than other things we have subjected ourselves to over many decades.


What must be considered is the safe use of all chemicals, whether they are absorbed into our skin or inhaled.


These treatments are amazing for the hair and must continue to be available. It is important for each stylist and salon to do their due diligence when applying these to the hair. Create a safe, healthy, clean salon environment. This applies to everything we do including nails, skin, hair. Keep the air filtered and fresh. Follow proper procudure for salon sanitation.


When applying a keratin treatment, whether it has formaldehyde, aldehyde, ether or polymers, etc... use a source capture system and prevent the vapors from entering the salon air, AT THE SOURCE!




jennp
Posts: 2

Treatments
Posted: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:13:09 AM
My doctor's determination was that my breathing problems were related to the Keratin treatments. What compounds that problem is being exposed to chemicals, the environment on a weekly basis, there is no "chemical free" time to really recover from the exposure. So the doctor wrote a note to my salon owners telling them that my exposure to this treatment/fumes should be zero.

The owners have taken some steps to reduce the fumes by opening the windows and putting an air purifier in the chemical area. Unfortunately, now all chemical treatments are in one area, so when I do a regular color which doesn't affect me, I'm also exposed to Keratin treatment when other stylists applying to their clients.

This week has been a bad week. They are doing Coppola treatments every day and my breathing is strained. I can understand that they must make money, but feel that I can't continue to expose myself to this environment. Economic times are tough and we are all trying to get by, but my health is very important. :-(

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Posted: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:37:45 AM
I'll ask again, have you used the masks? Read the early part of the discussion thread if you're willing to use them. They do help quite a bit and can be sold to the client as well. Good Luck!
Just  Joan

xxhairdivaxx
Posts: 102
Bronze Member

Posted: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:15:58 AM
LEAVE IT ALONE!!!!!  If the product reps are not being straight forward about their product, then something is definitely wrong.  I'm about to ask a stupid question.....When you order a chemical product from a company for the first time aren't they SUPPOSED to give you a MSDS????  I would think that they would but I could be wrong.

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:51:56 PM
The company is being forward. They are saying there IS FORMALDEHYDE in the product! Either you deal with it as safely as you know how or you don't use it and lose the business. Our entire field is working with chemicals. When you walk into a salon, odor is not the most alluring thing about. Florocarbons that ruin our ozone, color chemicals that clear your sinuses and nail chemicals that we had to start using dust fans and air purifiers for. If chemicals are a problem for you, you're in the wrong field!
Just  Joan

domino4321
Posts: 8

A new treatment out there
Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:42:10 PM
There is a new Keratin treatment that is Thio based. Great results. No masks or seperate rooms! 1 step, easy done! Please do your homework before you use these other products (or any product for that matter). If it seems shady, it probably is............ and if anyone feels defensive about this statement......?

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:46:21 PM
I'd love to know more about it. What's the name of it and being thio based do you know if it breaks the bonds in the hair. Thanks for the info.
Just  Joan

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:13:59 AM

If a treatment is thio based. It cannot be compared to the keratin straighteners.We have different classes of smoothers/straighteners.


We have "relaxers" which are generally sodium hydroxide based, these destroy bonds.


We have "chemical straighteners" that are thio or cysteamine based. These swell the hair and break bonds.


We have keratin straighteners, these coat the hair.


I use keratin straighteners on certain hair types. These hair types are not healthy enough to use any other product.


In my opinion there is a need for all of these. Use them safely. That is the key. I sound like a broken record, but... I use a source capture system that eliminates the vapors as they come off of the head. Buy one. It is well worth the money!



domino4321
Posts: 8

Thio/ Keratin Straightening
Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:38:35 AM
I didn't use the name ( not that I work for any company) because I wasn't sure if I could post it. Yes it is a Keratin treatment. It contains Keratin used with Thio to activate. You do not neutralize, so it isn't permenant. Lasts just like the Brazillian. Beautiful results! No odors either. If it was a "perm". oooohh, it would smell! Don't knock it til you try it! Good Stuff!

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:05:32 AM

I am sure that posting the name is alright. What is the product? If it uses thio, it still is not considered a keratin treatment as we are referring to them.


It may be a nice product, but it would still be in the chemical class of straighteners that penetrait the cuticle.



domino4321
Posts: 8

Keratin Treatment
Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:51:18 AM
It is the new Bio- Ionic Keratin Treatment.
I am not looking to get in a heated discussion about is or is not a Keratin treatment. It uses keratin the same way as the other treatments but choose Thio over any type of Aldehyde. To say it isn't a true Keratin treatment can only be said with ignorance to it because if you tried it you most likely love it. Hey, I'm saving your lungs too! And you'll be able to throw away those masks!



NYCKeratin
Posts: 1

Formaldehyde and Brazilians
Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:25:48 PM

I work for Lasio. The bottom line is that there are many different kinds of products in the market to fit many different needs. As far as the Brazilian goes the fact is that they contain formaldehyde or an aldehyde of some sort. We always suggest a mask and gloves be worn while doing this process and we always suggest proper ventilation. Not only because of the formaldehyde but because most products when blown into the hair  will fume. The OSHA limit for formaldehyde in the air in ppm is 70 ppm. The CIR limit for formaldehyde use in a cosmetic product designed for skin contact is 2%. The normal side effects of using this product is slight tingling of the eyes, nose and throat. The effects are similar to that of using hair bleach or chopping an onion. Some people might be more sensitive than others and this is true for many things. Just keep in mind that improper use of anything has the potential for harm. Also keep in mind that formaldehyde in much higher concentrations has been used in other professions for years and formaldehyde is found daily in many things we come into contact with. All that I am saying is to keep it all in perspective, find unbiased information, and make an educated decision.


I too have tried to find information on other companies and I can relate to some frustrations here. Sometimes it is difficult to find actual information as far as formaldehyde/aldehyde levels and so forth. The content in Lasio is .02%. It is a very low level. I offer as much support to our clients as I can. If you have any questions I will answer them to the best of my ability. If I don't have an answer I will try to find it for you.


Lasio is a spray on treatment that does not leave the hair filmy or heavy. We also have a 24 hour formula that can be washed 24 hrs after the service is done. It lasts 3-4 months. 212-477-2099



JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:24:57 PM
Well said Lasio. I've been using your product for almost 2 years now and I love the results. (And I do use gloves and a mask as well as ventilation).
Just  Joan

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:25:04 PM
Well said Lasio. I've been using your product for almost 2 years now and I love the results. (And I do use gloves and a mask as well as ventilation).
Just  Joan

concerned17
Posts: 2

HELP!!! I got fired for reporting malpractice of the BKT at the salon
Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:36:33 PM

Today was a TERRIBLE day at the salon I worked for: I got fired for reporting it to the Florida's DBPR (Dpt. of Business Regulation) because their infrastructure was inadequate for performing the Brazilian Keratin Treatment.

After many of us presented symptoms, from runny noses, itchy eyes, to full-blown rashes, burning, hives and/or bronchitis, as well as headaches, nausea and migraines, among others, I approached the salon's owner to ask her if she could put in an extractor to aid in the purification of the highly contaminated air after performing about 20 treatments per week. She had the nerve to blow me off and said to my face that she didn't care we were all dieing a slow death in the salon, as long as most customers were happy. Some customers have complained, while a few have chosen not to return to the salon for services because of their reactions to the BKT fumes. However, most clients rave about the benefits the treatment has brought to their hair, and continue to get the service periodically.

The exposure is inevitable, even for those who do not perform the BKT service, as there are large common areas with many stations, and all of us got to breathe in the toxic gases emitted while blow-drying and flat-ironing the hair at 450 degrees.

The Master Colorist and the receptionist quit over the Holidays, because they couldn't bare the fumes.

I'm a free-lance make-up artist and cosmetology student, that worked also as an assistant for one of the stylists who rents chairs at the salon, so, I didn't work FOR the salon itself.  However, after two visits from the DBPR's inspector, the owner coerced my boss into having me fired and banished me from the building.

In addition, I know for a fact that many of the employees are unlicensed, including the head hairstylist, who is the only one working with a commission-based agreement, as opposed to the rest of the professsionals, who only rent stations. This stylist was the first promoter of the BKT at the salon, and the other stylists caught on, fearing they would be left out of the hearty profits to be made by this toxic service. The stylist in question also re-exports this BKT product to a third country in Latin America under her name, which would explain why she has coerced the salon owner to get rid of me on many occasions.

My question is: is there any legal action I can take against the salon? Can I sue the manufacturers/importers of this product? Is anyone else willing to join me in a possible class-action suit? What does the FDA have to say about this matter?

I'm really confused as to where to go from here and would appreciate your advice.

Thank you and God Bless!



cuttingloose22
Posts: 4

brazillian keratin
Posted: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:07:55 AM
my salon offers these treatments and while they do contain less chemicals than other services, such as color, perms and lighteners, I am not surprised that this service contains formeldahyde, when you really think about it, there are very few beauty products out there that aren't damaging. I have seen these treatments performed, and while they are quite costly, a whopping 98% have had exceptional results. acrylic nail salons are notorious for formeldahyde as well as other harmful chemicals not safe for breathing in. If you think about it, we're putting peroxide and bleach on our heads so why be concerned about this one service. In the future i would love to see formeldahyde removed from the cosmotology scene all together. until then, we're still breathing it in everyday, in cigarette smoke, nail salons,and hair salons. thanx for letting me share, hope everyone is having a great summer

trendsetter03
Posts: 4

Formaldehyde free!!!
Posted: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:54:21 PM
Global Keratin is what we use in our salon and it is formaldehyde free! It does fume up and irritate the eyes a little so proper ventilation is still required. I have to say that it is one of the most amazing products I've seen. You can find more info at Globalkeratin.com.

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

"formaldehyde free" is deceptive
Posted: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:59:25 AM
If your eyes water and there are fumes, there is a form of aldehyde in the product. It has to have something in it to make it work. When companies use the term "foemaldehyde free" they are using a deceptive marketing ploy. This implies that the product is completely safe. It is not. You should not breathe these fumes. Although, there are many fumes in salons that we should not breathe. I suggest using a source capture system for Keratin treatments and all chemical treatments. Including color. I also have an air purifier that cleans the air. It's just smart to be safe.

lindsey949
Posts: 2

This stuff is BAD!
Posted: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:05:34 AM
hey concerned17. I am here to say that our salon has been using the keratin complex by Coppola. It is aweful! Yes it delivers great hair, but at the price that it is killing the hair stylists! I am very concerned for my health, I want to leave salons but its seems everyone is doing this so where would I go? I am thinking about contacting a lawyer to see if we can sue the company for false advertising/danger..I have read some scary things online. Last night at work it was sooo hard to breathe when someone was performing this service, I almost quit! I looked online and found that a chemist tested this and other products and he claimed this product has 1 percent formaldyhyde, which is over .08% of what is said to be somewhat safe to breathe. Your story is a little different concerned17, but I am going to do whatever I can to take this off the market, so I would love to join you! Post again if you would like my contact info k.!

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

for lindsay
Posted: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:15:09 PM

I would suggest you contact OSHA in your state. The salon where you work is legally responsible to create a safe working environment for their employees. If you are an independent contractor, it is your responsibility.I strongly suggest you look into a source capture system. As I am constantly saying, I use one along with a really effective air purifier.


The manufacturer as well as the distributor are held liable. I recently received copies of Keratin Complex MSDS sheets and they are very vague. This is one area where hairstylists should unite and demand full disclosure of ingredients of all cosmetics.



lindsey949
Posts: 2

Thank you denise
Posted: Saturday, March 06, 2010 5:22:04 PM
Thanks denise. Unfortunatley I am an independant contractor so I cannot hold my salon owner liable to get this off the shelves. And every salon out here is doing this so I cant move. But I did contact the BBB, which Keratin Complex already had an F rating on. I hate this product!

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

Posted: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:47:34 AM

The product is not the problem. Actually Coppola is a very good product. It is how it is being used.


If a stylist is unhappy with what is happening in their salon as far as the fumes from any of these treatments, please contact me at DeniseKingsley1@aol.com. I am compiling information. I promise ALL information will be confidential.


If you are an IC, someone owns the salon and they are still responsible to provide a safe environment. So, ICs can contact me as well.


This salon list is growing.


 



Henry
Posts: 1

Henry in So Cal
Posted: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:39:59 PM
Great and important topic.  Formalehyde is extremely dangeraous and the 14 different names are listed on OSHA.gov.  the worst thing you can do to poison yourself with it is to heat it into a vapor and inhale it.  Keratin does not straighten hair, its a buzz word.  In a manufacturing environment you would need a double filter gas mask to just handle formaldehyde.  A authentic MSDS sheet should give you the real details.  Recommending ventalation and using a toy mask is no solution.  I only know of one type of product that is safe-reform by Zerran.  There is another product about to hit the market that is completaly safe and does not need an iron just a hair dryer.  The FDA doesnt have the resources to regulate.  The salon industry has never been so green and at the same time so toxic.  Lets reach for high standards and elevate our industry.

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

To Henry
Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:57:32 AM

I have been trying to get information about Zerran. I would like to see their list of ingredients and their MSDS sheet. Do you have this information? If you say it is "safe" you must know the ingredients.



norcal
Posts: 2

Organic Smoothing (Straightening) Product
Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:39:05 AM
All Nutrient now has a program that is organic and contains no formaldehyde, formalin or aldehydes of any kind. No fumes, no odor - completely safe for salon, stylist and client. This product does an excellent job and lasts from 10-12 weeks. Gloves and masks are not needed at all - and the hair is in better condition after the treatment than before.
MSDS sheets available on the All Nutrient website. www.allnutrient.com - go to the "contact us" tab then at the bottom click on All Nutrient MSDS - it's listed at the very bottom of the list as Keratin +

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

???
Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:41:16 PM
These MSDS have absolutely no information. They could not be more vague. There is no list of ingredients nor any information on the products on the website. This is not a product that I would be interested in buying or using. Once again it appears to be more marketing hocus pocus.

Humberto
Posts: 254
Bronze Member

Posted: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:24:51 AM
The company is posting them as MSDS, but they are only reports based on the real MSDS. There is no ingredients listed at all. Why would the company post a "pseudo MSDS" instead of a real MSDS?

clearance55@hotmail.com
Posts: 1

Get the right info
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:43:30 PM
First off you cannot buy aldehyde...so formaldehyde is not the same as aldehyde. You need a name in front of the aldehyde..like the "butyl" they use in Coppola. If you apply too much product you get too much "fume" as you flat iron because you are burning off Keratin. For the answer person who used rejuvenol it says on the bottle you MUST wear a resperator and gloves and do not touch the product..yeah that is safe.
Stop putting bad info on this thread...get real...do a little research...look at how you derive an aldehyde...call your distributor and ask for a proper class. Coppola is safe.....but keep in mind ANYTHING you breathe in causes something...if you put WATER in your eyes you will tear up!
MSDS sheets are a federally mandated item...yes they are vague...why should ANY manufacturer give you the precise recipe on how to make their product. It is called protecting your investment, however the MSDS must list what is inside the product and how it is to be handled.
ALL nutrient does more damage to the hair than anything mentioned on this site, the "no formaldehyde" version does not work..which is why they have too stronger version with some nasty chemicals! The product also produces the most nasty smells. As for it being organic...so is arsenic!

AlisonDawn
Posts: 5

MARCIA TIEXIERA- GOOD RESULTS/EDUCATION
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:06:23 PM

I have been using this product for the last year:


http://www.braziliankeratin.com/


I prefer the chocolate treatment. It has low odor and I've had great results. I get the product from Professional Salon Services in Jacksonville, FL: http://www.pssprostore.com/


You can order online and they offer a 4oz. size for $40 so you don't have to buy a huge bottle. Chris Ricketson is the owner and a great guy- tell him Island Sanctuary sent you!




njoyfreespeechnow
Posts: 3

Only Zerran for me!
Posted: Friday, May 28, 2010 11:21:47 PM
I have been working with Zerran's Reform for almost 1 year now. I have had some very impressive results with it. This is a permanent straightener that can be adjusted to the clients needs. What I mean by that is, the straighter you want the hair, the slower you make your passes with the flat iron. This is a permanent straightener that is completely safe! There are no aldehydes, formaldehyde, sodium hydroxide, thio, or any toxic ingredients in Zerran's Reform. I have had a challenge getting some client's hair straight, but that is due to the buildup of silicone oils used on the hair. Zerran has recognized this challenge, and they developed a new shampoo called Absolution that removes the silicone from the hair which gives more consistent results. I am proud to use a product that I know is completely safe! No mask, no gloves, and I can pour it right on my skin with NO reaction whatsoever! They also have an A.P.S. (advanced professional service) that pre-treats the hair for a color service. This is a service that helps to hold color in longer and it really works! One of my clients gets multi-color red in her hair and she said it held a lot longer after the A.P.S. If any of you haven't checked out Zerran, then you are missing out on an excellent line of products! Keeping my clients and fellow employees safe,     Jim

hairart
Posts: 1

brazilian blowout
Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 11:22:01 PM
several of us in the salon have been using this product which claims to be 'formaldahyde free'. I am sceptical. There are a lot of fumes and several of the staff have complained of their eyes stinging and respiratory problems.The company is very defensive in their claims to be 'non toxic' and 'safe' but will not release the ingredients.There are no list of ingredients on the bottle of solution nor are there any written instructions for use. We had to go to a 'class' to buy the product and become 'certified' which I find suspicious to say the least. Yes the results on the hair are amazing but at what risk? Are we being manipulated by these companies because they know the FDA does not regulate formaldehyde in cosmetics and the MSDS sheet is very vague, but clearly states to keep away from heat when handling this product and wear gloves safety glasses and a mask!!!!The company denied this and was very defensive when asked about this over the phone. If it has no toxins in the chemical in liquid form, chemicals do change when exposed to heat. So what makes it work? Formalin is reactive to proteins and when heated releases methylene glycol which is toxic! I do not feel comfortable performing this service without all the facts and I am angry at the company for not supplying the information and relying on us to blindly trust their word....

lynnly
Posts: 4

Bio ionic Kera Smooth
Posted: Monday, May 31, 2010 11:04:03 AM
I have used this product 4 times now and works great.Just keep it off the ends!

susankarami
Posts: 3

brazilian keratin straightening treatment-ICB mask
Posted: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:37:48 AM
Hi Joan, am new to this board.  Read about the ICB mask, just ordered one.  The honeycomb  w/ classic filter.  I saw the sport honeycomb model, which one did you order?  Also, where did you get your mask holder? 


JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Mask for the BKT
Posted: Sunday, June 06, 2010 12:25:19 PM

Hi Susan, sorry it took me this long to reply to you but I couldn't remember the name of the mask. It's from ICanBreathe.com. It's a carbon mask and I double it up. I just went to their web site and saw they have honeycomb masks now as well. I don't know the difference, do you? I'll try and find out.


I'm also finding out that I'm not crazy about the Global Keratin Product. The results aren't consistent at all. The  non-formaldehyde did nothing for the hair and worse than that, it looked worse after the shampoo. The highest % one didn't do the job at all on a client of mine. I'm so disappointed. They make it so costly to try different keratin treatments. It annoys me to no end.


Lasio is still my favorite! It's consistent and leaves no film at all.


Just  Joan

susankarami
Posts: 3

susan karami
Posted: Sunday, June 06, 2010 12:51:18 PM
Hi Joan- just got the mask-thanks!  Where did you get your mask holder?

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

BKT masks
Posted: Monday, June 07, 2010 8:38:49 AM
At "ICanBreathe.com" as well.
Just  Joan

susankarami
Posts: 3

Posted: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:22:58 PM
thanks Joan!


cookieee
Posts: 3

curious
Posted: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:16:44 AM
keratin is a protein, it hardens and becomes brittle, repeatedly used on the hair, cooked in,  the coating it creates would become dull and brittle?  yes or no?  seems like a fad, is it really good for the hair?  The manufacturers information I have read all talk about how much money hairdressers can make, and in a short period of time, really?  What about the hair?  Is there really a benefit, or just more hype?

njoyfreespeechnow
Posts: 3

Misinformation on Coppola's MSDS
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:46:40 AM
I just recieved a copy of Coppola's MSDS. This is different that the original copy I recieved on Nov. 2, 2007. They are leaving out important information. They only sent me 2 pages when the original copy has 3. They are leaving out 6-CONTAINMENT AND CLEANUP, 7-HANDLING AND STORAGE, 8-EXPOSURE CONTROLS/PERSONAL PROTECTION. #7 states, "Use protective breathing mask when using product with hot iron. Decomposition of product at high temperatures may cause aldehydes to be formed and hence cause SEVERE irritation of eyes and nose. For use by trained Copoman LLC. representatives." If this is not in anyone's copy of the Coppola MSDS, then I suggest you respond to this post. I will be happy to mail any of you fellow hairdressers a copy of this. They don't want us to know how harmful their product is. Talk about producing misleading information! I heard they made 100 million dollars last year. I would love to see some of that money dispursed to all of us who suffer from this product because Coppola failed to provide us with the correct information. Care to unite and put a stop to this company that is harming our industry and our guests that have to breathe this when they enter the salon?

JustJoan717
Posts: 31

Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:53:05 AM

I would love a copy of this. Thank you so much for your efforts.


Joan


717 Soma Ave


Bellmore, ny 11710


Just  Joan

Hair Therapist
Posts: 1

Looking for the facts
Posted: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:46:20 PM

Greetings. many of my clients have been asking if I will start doing the Keratin treatments.  I have been hesitant


1. becuase I don't really know anything about the products & what to use.


2. what the long term effects are good/bad.


3. the cost involved for me as a stylist & the client.  So I started searching for info.  my distributor sells the Coopola brand.  I just read this forum & wow I am really in shock.  sounds like it's just a way for the company to make money.


So what's the truth?  are there really products that are natural that will not harm me or my client & will actually work.  Honestly is this worth getting into?  this seems like a waste of money? I want to hear good & bad comments. what's the risk of doing these on colored hair?


Really I didn't think Keratin actually straightens the hair.  honestly the Chi Keratin spray is amazing & really hair that is not overprocessed & and best shampoos and styling products used already contribute to less frizz and create silky hair.



Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

Posted: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:15:20 AM

These treatments are safe, as long as you do them correctly and have a way to keep yourself safe from the fumes. All of these keratin treatments create a vapor that should not be inhaled.



They have deceptive, incomplete MSDS and many of them just plain lie. It amazes me that this can be tolerated. I have contacted OSHA and they don't care.



I have done these for about 5 years and I use a source capture system and a really big air purifier. I will sometimes wear a mask.



I am absolutely convinced that hairstylists that do not take the proper precautions will develop serious health issues.



The problem is that the process works great and clients love it. AND you can make pretty good money doing them. That is why I will spend whatever money I need to in order to keep my air clean.



njoyfreespeechnow
Posts: 3

Air sample of Coppola registered formaldehyde
Posted: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:21:28 PM
Sorry Denise Kingsley, these treatments are not safe. You state that they are safe if you do them correctly, and then you state that they create a vapor that should not be inhaled. Isn't that contradicting yourself? Sure you and your guest might be wearing a mask, but what about everyone else in the salon having services done? How about the person getting the service done? Isn't the product on the hair for 3-5 months? How about when they heat it up with a hair dryer or flat iron? I sampled the air during a Coppola Keratin Complex Smoothing Therapy treatment from 20 feet away with a 3M 3720 Formaldehyde Monitor with an 80 min. exposure time, sent it to a lab to be analyzed, and the results were .241 ppm of formaldehyde. How safe is that? OSHA regulations state that the permissable exposure limit to formaldehyde is .75 ppm for an 8 hour period. That means that if there are 3 of these done in an 8 hour period, you have reached your max exposure time to formaldehyde. Sure some of these companies state that their product has no formaldehyde, but hit it with a 450 degree flat iron, and take a deep breath of FORMALDEHYDE VAPOR! The person that performed the keratin service with Coppola's product is certified. She did not apply the product heavily so she would not create that much vapor. It still created a formaldehyde vapor. Educate yourself people! These companies are out to make money! Plain and simple.

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

Posted: Saturday, July 31, 2010 8:33:03 AM

You are doing research that I did 6 years ago. If you read my post you would see tthat I use a source capture system and an air purifier. This solves all the problems stated in your post.


The only time there is a problem is when the product is being heat fused to the hair. With proper extraction this is not an issue. I absolutely advocate the use of these two items.


Once the product is fused to the hair there are no issues. The product is not applied to the scalp so there is no absorption issues.


I have spent a great deal of my time and my money on these concerns. Honestly I am quite frustrated when someone tells me I am wrong about this issue. Especially whe they do not post their name and who they are.


In the past few years I have found that people who constantly tout the dangers of the BKT and ignore the information as to how it can be accomplished safely, are from manufacturers of straightening products. They also market their products in a manner that is equally deceptive. Hairstylists drink" their" kool aid and perform these services with disasterous results.


Please, all stylists, educate yourselves on all these products, bkt, permanent etc. There are product lines out there that are constantly blowing the aiir up our skirts with their claims. This also goes for all the marketing buzz words, ammonia free, vegan, all natural, organic, and on and on. Read the fine print, read the MSDS. Check things out for yourself. 


The words to live by are, believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. 



domino4321
Posts: 8

This is out of hand
Posted: Saturday, July 31, 2010 4:26:01 PM
OK. Seriously. Every time I read a new post, I shake my head. I'm almost to the point of banging my head on the wall! I have been researching these treatments for a few years and I'm telling you people...... listen up!!!!.......they are toxic!!!
Yes, you can set up a ventilation room, wear masks, etc., but know what you are REALLY getting yourself into. These companies don't care in the long run about us. Its about the almighty dollar!!
For those of you that choose to do them, go for it, it's your choice. But don't you dare say that it is safe if used correctly. Does every one that uses them sit their clients down and tell them what is in the product thats causing them to wear masks? The client has the right to know.In my 30 yrs in this business, I have NEVER heard of a product that causes toxic side effects such as breathing difficulties and permanent damage. And can you guarantee that when you open that door to the "Chamber", it doesn't leak out fumes into other areas? I don't believe it. Read it anywhere, " Any form of Aldehyde should NEVER be breathed in in vapor form because it is Toxic." I'm sure that there will eventually be products available that will be safe. As long as people keep using the products requiring masks and ventilation systems there will not be a need for them to change. We need to take care of each other! Believe me.... I would LOVE for these products to be safe! There is no denying that the hair is beautiful! But, really? Is it really worth it?

pixanne
Posts: 479
Silver Member

Posted: Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:26:49 AM
domino i agree with you one hundred percent. i will never perform this or be in the room while one is being done. i wish that everyone would do their homework and protect themselves as fully as possible if they must be exposed to this vapor.

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

To domino
Posted: Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:32:28 AM

You are 100% right. I will agree that it is about the dollar and that manufacturers do not care. The majority of them are deceptive and others are big fat liars!


Every single one of MY clients know exactly what I am putting on their hair. I do not have a "chamber" I use a source capture system. This device is placed right next to the clients head and the vapors are pulled in immediately. There may be trace ammounts that do not get pulled in, hence the use of an additional air purification system.


We should all wear masks, everyday, whether we are using hair color, bleach, hair spray etc. Our exposure levels are off the charts and we should be wearing gloves all day long including when we shampoo.


The problem here is that we DO have to make a living. The keratin treatments work beautifully for those porous heads of hair.


Companies outright LIE. Our reps are ignorant. OSHA does not care. The FDA does not care. I have been in contact with these agencies. I have also been in contact with State representatives.   


Many professions have hazardous aspects to them. Coal miners, pest control, construction, food processing, grounds maintenance, flight attendant, house cleaners, health care workers. I can go on and on.


The fact is that this is a way for us to make money to pay our bills. YES, it does have consequences. That is why I spend a great deal of time promoting the use of air purification and extraction.


It is obvious to me that you care a great deal and I commend you for that. You are right when you state that we must continue to seek alternatives. There are companies and chemists working everyday to create better, safer products for us. Until then, it is our job to keep ourselves safe as we work. If one chooses not to do these treatments, there will be someone down the street who does.


 


 



Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

to pixanne
Posted: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:06:03 AM

As I read your post another thought came to mind.


It seems that one problem is that there are stylists in salons all over doing these. They do not protect themselves nor do they do anything to protect their clients or others in the salon.


If a stylist will not create the proper environment necessary to perform these treatment in a manner which is "safe" for everyone, they should not do them. Other stylists should protest their use in the salon.


I am in a private suite salon. I recently saw signs for "brazilian blowout" pop up on windows in our building. I made it a point to speak with these stylists to inform them. For the most part, my intrusion was not well met. One stylist waved me off by saying she spoke with the chemist and the product is" completely safe" and formaldehyde free. She implied that I was trying to dissuade her because I did not want competition.  They had listened to the reps bag of tricks. They had no clue what they were using. Soon afterwards I passed by one room and a stylist was using this product on a 5 year old girl. The room was filled with fumes. It was horrific. This stylist has a suite mate and she told me she was sick all night. I warned them. I suppose they did learn. I am just sorry it had to be at the expense of the 5 year old girls lungs.


I will only work with products that are upfront and honest with their MSDS and list of ingredients, PERIOD.



misscherylspalce
Posts: 2

BKT hair chemistry
Posted: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:40:24 PM
So I understand what the various BKT's are made of, what I am curious about is what it is doing to the hair on a science level. I am told it does not enter the hair cortex. How is this possible? Does it break the disulfide bond? Does it rearrange it? What is it doing where does it go???

annab
Posts: 1

more lies?
Posted: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:39:04 PM
First off from spending a good hour reading all the post I really feel you know your stuff Denise and you are really making an effort to find out.
But I just can't believe how long this product has already been on the market and there are no sincere brands without formaldehyde.
So i was looking at a few brands and came across this
http://www.amazon.com/CoCos-Brazilian-Keratin-Treatment-33-8oz/dp/B002ZI1RHK/ref=sr_1_27?ie=UTF8&s=beauty&qid=1281065241&sr=8-27
can i sincerely believe this is formaldehyde free? did anyone try to use this brand? and what is the "safest" brand?

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

Posted: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:11:43 PM

That product is at least honest in their list of ingredients. The bonding agent is formalin. Liquid formaldehyde, so to speak.


Formaldehyde is technically a gas, so none of these products have formaldehyde in them since they are a liquid. they have very clever name alterations for derivitives on formalin. They all have aldehydes. The aldehydes do not need to be listed if there is under 1% in the solution. Therefore they can have many different aldehydes in quantities less than 1% and never mention them. NEVER LIST THEM. These aldehydes do not cause a problem until they are heated. The reaction is to form a formaldehyde type vapor. Aldehydes are also hidden in the list of ingredients in the word "fragrance"


Unfortunately, an aldehyde is needed to crosslink the polymer solutions to the hair. This is done by the application of heat.


No bonds are altered or interferred with in a BKT. If the hair is too weak for the 450 degree iron, bonds can be destroyed and the hair can burn. If this happens, the hair will feel hard and dry, at best.


Until something drastically changes, you should just assume that there is no completely safe Brazilian keratin treatment. Do not believe the deceptive marketing claims.


 



keraspabrazilultd@gmail.com
Posts: 1

Denis
Posted: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:14:14 PM
I live in London UK and have been doing Brazilian Treatments for years and granted have worked with and experienced some really nasty products and had some really horendous results, however I have found the most fantastic treatment ever that is SECOND GENERATION KERATIN TREATMENT with no Formaldahyde and no amoldahyde at all and is a natural keratin product enhanced by Guarana and Acai berries. The product is so awesome I have even taken on distrubtion in the UK however IT IS THE ONLY PRODUCT ON THE KERATIN MARKET THAT ALLOWS YOU TO WALK OUT OF THE SALON AND WASH YOUR HAIR IMMEDIATELY OR TIE IT UP OR TUCK IT BEHIND THE EARS. ONIX NATURAL CARE IS AMAZING AND AMAZING RESULTS FOR SILKIER SMOOTHER FRIZZ FREE hair.


Onix Natural Care Keratin Smoothing Treatment
Approved by the UK / USA / Canadian and European drug standards


Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

Onix
Posted: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:25:48 PM
I would be interested in seeing a list of ingredients and the MSDS. If this product is all you claim, I would love give it a try.

kannie_styles
Posts: 1

BKT Fumes
Posted: Friday, August 13, 2010 2:49:30 PM

I started doing BKT treatments a few months ago using Marcias complex. They told me that the fumes would not be vary noticeable. Once I started doing a few treatments a week people in the salon began complaining. I purchased a mask for myself and clients. That didn't help anyone else and the mask was uncomfortable! We turned down the AC, let a fan run none of it seemed to help. I found a company that sells air purification equipment specially made for the market and that has helped a lot. There are some downsides to it with having to move the hose and it gets in the way, but I'm making good money on the treatments and I don't have anyone in the salon getting upset. Here is a link to the unit I bought: http://bktformaldehyde.com/


 


 


 



bostonhair
Posts: 1

Can't breathe
Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:17:33 AM
Hi guys, I just wanted to share something with all of you. This week I went to the Dr. because I have had this weird feeling of not being able to breathe and a cough that hasn't gone away for over 2 months. I do not smoke, nor do I have asthma. I am fairly active and ride my bike often enough that going up a flight of stairs shouldn't wind me. He told me my symptoms sound like reactive lung disease which is most often caused by exposure to chemicals in the work place. I have been doing hair for 14 years and have never had a problem in the past, so I couldn't even imagine it was from work until he asked me if we had introduced any new chemicals in the last 6 months or so. I thought about it for 10 seconds and realized the only new thing in our salon are keratin treatments. First Coppola now Lasio. I have done only 4 of these treatments but I work in a salon with over 25 stylists and there's almost always at least 1 booked everyday. The only ventilation we have is a household window fan that is placed in a window behind the stylist performing the treatment. So I now have an appointment with a pulmonary specialist who is requesting I bring in a sample of the product and the ingredient list. Is anyone else experiencing the same thing? Can I sue lasio coppola if I do have some lung diease and I am unable to work due to exposure to this chemical?

pixanne
Posts: 479
Silver Member

Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:43:45 PM
no you can't sue. your employer should be responsible for having adequate ventilation to fresh air,not just recirculated air, as well as proper protective gear and air purifiers. do your homework on this 'treatment' everyone! the exposure is dangerous, and must be handled with every stylists' safety in mind, not just the person performing the service. a very strong exhaust must be very near to the fumes for it to actually suck it from the air before it is inhaled. you need to ask yourself if the damage done to your lungs and eyes etc is worth the money??

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

To Can't breathe
Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:29:38 PM

I think you can sue anybody, anytime. The problem is with the product labeling and the MSDS. If it is like the typical MSDS it will tell you not to heat the product over a certain temperature, which you did.


As far as your salon owner, it is their responsibility to provide a safe working environment. I would suggest contacting OSHA in your state and filing a complaint.


It is incredibly foolish to do these treatments without using extreme measures to clean the air.


Your salon owner should consider purchasing a source capture system from Aerovex. Along with their air purification system called  " the one that works". Each stylist should be trained how to use it properly and it must be kept clean and the filters changed. It is by far the best "fume extractor" out there. I do not sell it nor do I make any money on the sale of these systems,


I am so sorry you are experiencing these problems. Some people are just more sensitive than others, I know I am. Smokers are not sensitive at all but then again they are always intentionally filling their lungs with toxins.


Yours is a story we will begin to hear over and over again until something changes. I do my best to try to find a solution whereas stylists can still offer this treatment to their clients, but they won't have to die doing it.


We must all insist on complete ingredient lists and MSDS!!!!!



liahatt
Posts: 8

Formaldehyde is carcinogen big time
Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:15:47 PM
Fellow Hairdressers I have a question for all of you.
Is a great treatment and a very profitable service worth your life??
I know what you are guys thinking,here we go again one more "formaldehyde freak" has came to us.
I have a piece of information for all of you that probably are utterly ignorant (like I was too)about formadehyde, and the danger of using that very carcinogen ingredient in hair products most likely to be a keratin treatment.
If you are using any formaldehyde keratin treatment in your salon you are likely to develop a cancer at your respiratory tract
and also your clients in a few years will probably loose a lot of hair because formaldehyde sooner or later will kill the follicle.
I research it with a true chemist and several biologist.
I invite you to do the same,is quite easy.
The link below is a link to a consumer protection web-site in IRELAND and it shows that one of the most infamous formaldehyde base product has been pulled out the EU market.
now Marcia is under attact from the european authorities and in a lot of trouble.
is the first one to fall in the EU soon to be followed by the biggest lier in the keratin industry AKA Coppola.

http://www.consumerconnect.ie/eng/News_+_Research/Product_Recalls/marcia-teixeira-hair-products.html
You guys probably don`t know that Coppola is keeping telling lies about his product being formaldehyde free when in fact there is 1.8% pure formaldehyde in it.
Yes but again try it yourself to test it.
At this company they sell a formaldehyde test kit for only $65 and it is easy and very accurate.
This test reacts only with formaldehyde not glutaraldehyde so if the stick gets purple you know it has formaldehyde in it.
Enjoy and don`t let this criminals lie to you,it`s your life.

http://www.merck-chemicals.com/usa/em-quant-formaldehyde-test-kit/EMD_CHEM-10036/p_uuid
And by the way most of those MSDS that those companies send you are bogus so yes if you really want you could sue them just because that.By law the MSDS must be in perfect compliance with alll regulations so if a company ,(like Coppola for instance)send you an MSDS and is bogus you can sue them.

makeupyourhead
Posts: 1

personal choice
Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:59:26 PM
While I am trying not be negative because the treatments are beautiful.... I have made a personal choice to no longer offer these treatments after breathing problems and a chest cough i've had for week.  Still going to my doctor and have informed her of these treatments.  These symptoms mysteriously started around the same time my entire shop started doing them.  Some clients and staff have complained of chest pains that last up to 3 days.  My hairstylist in Irvine has asked his girlfriend to stop doing them and he also experienced a bout of asthma he hasn't dealt with since he was a teenager.  Call me crazy, but if I need to wear a chemical mask, this maybe something I should walk away from.  I just sold off the rest of my product and am perfectly happy with my already busy clientele.  I was struggling to find time to fit this service in anyway, so the money won't be missed.  Good luck to all of you stylist who are continuing to do this service, I hope you do not experience the problems I have had.

gd
Posts: 608
Silver Member

Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:25:24 PM
We have been using Coppola Keratin Complex for several months now. The results are beautiful, however, ALL of my stylists, including myself, have been having breathing problems. I went to my doctor and explained the situation and was told to stop doing the service immediately. I have stopped doing the services myself and have put in place new policies that now, only allow stylists wanting to do the service to do them after hours with the salon doors open. I have contacted the company and really get no answers. I would strongly suggest everyone be extremely careful doing this service.


liahatt
Posts: 8

Whatch out for the liers
Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:11:48 PM
As I stated before Coppola is the most criminal of all because he is not listing formaldehyde in his formula ,as a matter of fact he denies that and he is promoting is product as formaldehyde free.
Unfortunately the regulations in this country are not strong enogh even if mr Coppola is really breaking the law.
He is very powerful because is making a lot of money so he doesn`t care of liyng abpout formaldehyde.
I am very pleased that you choose to abandon this service and believe me you will be better of in your life without formaldehyde around you.
But as I said before buy this formaldehyde test kit and show your result to the rap for Coppola.
I did and you should have seen his face.

liahatt
Posts: 8

Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:28:52 PM
And you know the funny thing is that Coppola his got a big ad on this web-site.
But hey ,money talk,and that`s always the case.

Aerovex Systems, Inc.
Posts: 1

Protect Your Breathing Zone & Cleanse the Salon Air!
Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:45:47 PM

http://www.aerovexsystems.com/chemical-source-capture-system-hair-salons/


http://www.aerovexsystems.com/8imptfacts.pdf



domino4321
Posts: 8

Cadiveu
Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:21:19 PM

is anyone familliar with the product CADIVEU? It claims to be formaldehyde free.  The ingredients list cyclomethicone. I think this is what is used in place. Has simillar toxicity warning but is coming up with limited information.



liahatt
Posts: 8

CADIVEU
Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:52:11 PM
Cadiveu is full of Glutaraldehyde,which is as bad as formaldehyde even worst.
It will make you sick too.
It is also banned in Europe because the high content of glutaraldehyde.

AlisonDawn
Posts: 5

ONIX, 2nd Generation
Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 6:52:50 PM

I did my first model with this product on Saturday. The results were impressive, but it did give off fumes that required my model to close her eyes throughout the pressing stage, and my fingers have felt like  prunes ever since; I know I should wear gloves, but it's hard to feel where the hair is properly coated in gloves. It claims to be formaldehyde free, but who knows....Marcia did the same thing to my fingers but gave off much worse fumes and left a nasty residue in the hair which the clients have to deal with for days, but with this product, I can rinse and style it out immediately after the service, which is a HUGE plus.


http://recalledproducts.org/recall/view/marcia-teixeira-hair-lotion-brazilian-keratin-treatment




liahatt
Posts: 8

COPPOLA AND GLOBAL
Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:27:34 PM
Well well well Mr. Coppola and Global keratin got taken out the marke as well in the EU.
Finally Coppola got caught and all is lies are coming to an end.
check this out.

Number of results found: 38 - Search executed on year: 2010
Year - Week No.
Ref. Notifying country Product
(Click on the photo to enlarge) Danger Measures adopted by notifying country Products were found and measures were taken also in:
2010 - 34 21
1301/10 IRELAND
Category: Cosmetics

Product: Hair treatment – Keratin Complex Smoothing Therapy

Brand:

1. Coppola Designer Hair Care;

2. Coppola Designer Hair Care.

Type/number of model: Unknown

Description:

1. Keratin Complex Smoothing Therapy – Blonde Hair: hair treatment in a white plastic bottle with screw-cap lid, with black, grey & brown writing: "Keratin Complex Smoothing Therapy – Natural Keratin Smoothing treatment – Designed & Created for BLONDE HAIR “For professional use only” (8fl.oz/237ml)";

2. Keratin Complex Smoothing Therapy – Natural Keratin Smoothing Treatment: hair treatment in a white plastic bottle with screw-cap lid, with black, grey / brown and red writing: "Keratin Complex Smoothing Therapy – Natural Keratin Smoothing treatment “For professional use only” (8fl.oz/237ml)".

Country of origin: United States





Chemical

The product poses a chemical risk because it contains a high level of free Formaldehyde (1.9% and 1.7% whereas the allowed limit is 0.2%).

The product does not comply with the Cosmetics Directive 76/768/EEC.
Withdrawal from the market by the distributor ordered by the authorities.

just put cosmetic in the search bar and year 2010.
I always warned everybody about Coppola lying.
It is avviously not FORMALDEHYDE FREE.
I have to give it to him though,he made a lot of money with this lie.

liahatt
Posts: 8

COPPOLA BANNED FROM EUROPE
Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:29:50 PM
sorry this is the link

http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/dyna/rapex/rapex_archives_en.cfm

just type cosmetics in the search bar ,year 2010

Denise Kingsley
Posts: 23

Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:51:33 PM

There has always been confusion as to the percentages of formaldehyde releasing preservative agents allowed in cosmetics.


When a product is applied TO THE SKIN/SCALP, the percentage limit is .2percent. ( point 2 )


The keratin treatments are not to be applied to the skin. There is no absorption if it is not applied to the skin. Therefore if it contains "2 percent", it does not pose a problem.


Of course with keratin treatments my concern is  air quality and inhilation, not absorption.


 



liahatt
Posts: 8

Posted: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:08:43 AM
Honestly Denise
don`t you think some of the product will touch the scalp??
Some of it will always go on the skin and if you really want to know
in a long run it will kill the follicles.
Is happening already.

AlisonDawn
Posts: 5

Marcia Texiera Banned in EU
Posted: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:18:33 PM

Link:


http://recalledproducts.org/recall/view/marcia-teixeira-hair-lotion-brazilian-keratin-treatment




liahatt
Posts: 8

cCOPPOLA LIES EXPOSED TO THE WORLD
Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:50:22 PM
Year - Week No.
Ref. Notifying country Product
(Click on the photo to enlarge) Danger Measures adopted by notifying country Products were found and measures were taken also in:
2010 - 34 21
1301/10 IRELAND
Category: Cosmetics

Product: Hair treatment – Keratin Complex Smoothing Therapy

Brand:

1. Coppola Designer Hair Care;

2. Coppola Designer Hair Care.

Type/number of model: Unknown

Description:

1. Keratin Complex Smoothing Therapy – Blonde Hair: hair treatment in a white plastic bottle with screw-cap lid, with black, grey & brown writing: "Keratin Complex Smoothing Therapy – Natural Keratin Smoothing treatment – Designed & Created for BLONDE HAIR “For professional use only” (8fl.oz/237ml)";

2. Keratin Complex Smoothing Therapy – Natural Keratin Smoothing Treatment: hair treatment in a white plastic bottle with screw-cap lid, with black, grey / brown and red writing: "Keratin Complex Smoothing Therapy – Natural Keratin Smoothing treatment “For professional use only” (8fl.oz/237ml)".

Country of origin: United States





Chemical

The product poses a chemical risk because it contains a high level of free Formaldehyde (1.9% and 1.7% whereas the allowed limit is 0.2%).

The product does not comply with the Cosmetics Directive 76/768/EEC.
Withdrawal from the market by the distributor ordered by the authorities.